By: Purunjana Dasa, Alachua, Florida This article is in response to an article posted in prabhupadanugas.eu http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41313#more-41313 I have published portions of the article with my response. ============================================================== Why is Madhu Pandit attacking Prabhupadanuga – devotees of Hare Krishna Community (HKC), Jaipur, India?
Madhu Pandit Madhu Pandit – Why are you creating problems for the HKC Jaipur devotees?
Open letter to Madhu Pandit Dasa and Chanchalapati Dasa from Dayalu Nitai Das =============================================================== [PADA: Oh great, notice below that the “Jaipur for truth” folks are citing the GBC guru people’s lawsuit against the Prabhupadanugas, the same folks who placed false charges against Madhu Pandit (like Radhanatha and Jayapataka) – are cited as their authorities. The GBC guru’s legal case against us – is our authority?
The GBC says we are creating forgery, and we need to believe their version, despite they forged their whole position as acharyas? The gullible nature of some of the “Prabhupadanugas” is actually sometimes astonishing. The GBC’s lawsuit is the authority of these Jaipur folks, but no other Prabhupadanugas accept the GBC’s version of – anything, as valid.
Anyway, the same people who are burying dead deviants in the holy dham – are the same people who created the “forgery” lawsuit against MPD which the Jaipur Truth seekers accept as valid. Why are any sincere Prabhupadanugas citing the GBC’s lawsuit against MPD as their authority? Why do we believe in the alleged merits of the GBC guru’s case, and we doubt MPD and the Prabhupadanugas? That is exactly what the GBC gurus and their followers are doing, why are we on board with them?
Radhanath swami is one of the biggest cheer leaders of this lawsuit, how has his lawsuit against the Prabhupadanugas emerged as our “legal authority” – or any other authority? Radhanath
swami incidentally – just recently buried Kirtanananda in the holy dham. Radhanath’s lawsuit is our “legal guidance” that we need to cite as our authority?
This is a chronic problem here, some “Prabhupadanuga” people are compromised with the GBC’s guru program – and so they cite the GBC’s lawsuits against us – as their authority. Satan is the authority over the devotees of Jesus? The Gaudiya Matha folks did almost the same thing against our Srila Prabhupada, they “went to the high court” to establish that their acharyas are bona fide, and Srila Prabhupada said they were trying to override the acharyas with “high courts.” The same people who are trying to override our Prabhupadanugas in the high courts, are our authority?
The IRM and associates have done a similar thing, – Well, the courts do not accept Srila Prabhupada saying he is being given poison. OK, how did we become the surrendered servants of the courts?] 1) High court has given a judgement against MPP for forging papers and cheating. I knew that there is some case going on between Iskcon Bangalore and Iskcon Mumbai but I did not know about this forgery. I do not how far it is justified to forge documents in the name of serving Krishna. I also do not agree with Iskcon regarding the guru siddhanta and many other deviations from Srila Prabhupada’s teachings but I believe that we should not go against the law for correcting Iskcon. [PADA: Oh great, “the law” in India (so far anyway) is – that the GBC can publicly say that acharyas are often fallen – and are maybe engaged in illicit sex. “The law” also allows the GBC to legally bury dead homosexuals and criminals in the holy dham (they had to get a legal permit to bury Kirtanananda) etc. So we need to accept the verdict of these legal thinkers? Why? Of course the law allows all kinds of foolish things, just because it is “the law” does not mean its acceptable evidence for a Vaishnava?
These Jaipur folks think we need to follow this mundane law system? What about Krishna’s laws that says all of this is bogus? Someone seems to have forgotten whose laws we need to follow here? The courts in India are also notoriously corrupt, as is almost everything else, which is why we always see thousands of people in India with big signs chanting and protesting the “mass corruption.” Even many people LIVING IN INDIA do not accept that this government system is authorized.] 3) I came to know from the letter of Gokul Chandra Prabhu of Hare Krishna Society that MPP had a closed door meeting with Iskcon EC and proposed to them that if Iskcon agrees that the 1st initiation will be performed by Srila Prabhupada then the 2nd initiation can be performed by regular pancaratrika gurus appointed by the GBC. I had heard about it from before but I did not get into the details as I had full faith in MPP that he can never think of going away from July 9th letter even in his dreams. So, at first I did not believe it but when I saw MPP’s refusal on Sun Sampradaya I was shocked as this is accepted by MPP himself that he did make a proposal like this. [PADA: Right, well the court ordered a negotiation, and that means the other side has to at least attempt some concessions, however the GBC refused even the concession, so nothing was settled. Anyway, negotiation is not a settled agreement in any case? Apart from that, no one else is even engaged in a lawsuit with the bogus GBC acharyas program at all, to get even one ounce of concession?
No one else is even trying to get any legal concession, not even a pin-head sized concession?
So we should just cave in, and let the bogus GBC take the whole program, and not even get one pin-head size of concession? That has been the problem for the past 35 years, the bogus gurus get everything, the rest get nothing. At least MPD is trying to get some concessions favorable to our idea, even a pin-head is more than nothing, whereas these Jaipur people apparently want to get no concession at all, and let the GBC win the entire case by default.] I know that anyone can make mistake unless one is a liberated soul like Srila Prabhupada. The important thing is to accept and correct the mistake. We can discuss all these things in the meeting and if things are taken in a positive light then it will benefit everyone. We have left everything and come here to serve Srila Prabhupada and we should always remain with the truth. Please respond as important issues are at stake. I am ready to accept and rectify if there are some mistakes from my side but this negative propaganda from AP must stop for everyone’s benefit. [PADA: Well for starters, MPD is the number one enemy of the GBC, thus attacking MPD is helping the GBC gurus, and no one else at all? Who else benefits from attacking MPD? And this is why the GBC gurus have been in power for 35 years, anyone who stands up to them is attacked. No one else has taken the GBC gurus to court to challenge them, at all!
At least someone is doing that, so let’s shoot him down? This has helped the bogus messiahs stay in power for 35 years. For example, as soon as we stood up, then hundreds of people came forward to chop us down, and that has helped keep the bogus people in power – which a number of police, media and others have told us is the problem here as well.
How is that helping Srila Prabhupada?
We think some sort of discussion is a good idea, but some of your side of the argument is clearly defective and biased. In any case, we are glad you have some idea to follow the ritvik system, but there seems to be some residual connection to the bad guys going on here as well.
Madhu Pandit Das has risked his life to promote Srila Prabhupada, you are citing the bogus messiahs’ arguments against MPD, ok, don’t you realize how compromised that makes you? ys pd] your servant, Dayalu Nitai Das.
Jaipur For Truth pt.2 (May 5, 2014)
PADA Update: Dayalu das tried to hijack Akshaya Patra legal name, and is using that name without legal permission. Legal Trustees of Akshaya Patra Jaipur complained to Madhu Pandit that these unauthorized HKC pirates are using Akshaya Patra title without permission. Dayalu is also using the photo of Madhu Pandit on his flyers to collect money and support. Another pirate in our midst. This is, as usual, all about thieves stealing money and then complaining when they are caught. ys pd
PADA Update: Above flyer made by “Jaipur for Truth” folks shows how they have hi-jacked the Akshaya Patra name, and are using the image of Madhu Pandit to get donations and gather support, in other words, to get money. They are using Akshaya Patra as a means of getting money for themselves.
Madhu Pandit told them to stop, and then they went on a rampage. Yep, money is the root of all evil, just as the Christians are saying. JFT folks keep saying Madhu Pandit “may at some time in the future” change the initiations system, but that has not been proven at all. Meanwhile JFT folks are citing now DAYARAM’S (Mayapura GBC) articles, oh swell the people whose program
supports burying dead homosexual acharyas in the holy dham are now the authority of the JFT folks.
Yep, wherever there is Prahlad das there is support for the defenders of homosexual acharyas.
Told ya! We wrote to Dayaram’s group to complain that their GBC program has supported homosexuals as acharyas, and they wrote back and said WE KNOW THE GBC HAS MADE HOMOSEXUAL ACHARYAS, but we support them nonetheless. And now the JFT folks are writing to PADA citing Dayaram’s arguments. Sorry, sympathizers with the bogus guru program will never be accepted by the sincere Prabhupadanugas. ============================================================ From MPP: “Dear Dayalu, PAMHO. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
First of all it is unethical to have used my name and picture and even worse is to refer to me as Chairman of Akshaya Patra in spite of me not giving you permission to put my comment APF name. Akshaya Patra Jaipur trustees want the organization to be secular. It cannot associate publicly with the religious side of the mission. And it has nothing to do with vision of the kind of your Vedic village.
If you think it does not benefit you it is not true. As if I have to believe that you put it in there because of love for me and honored by that comment. Don’t be a hypocrite. Now after igniting the full scale war, you are talking of cooperation. When I have objected to it last night you have not cared to drop it because you want to use Akshaya Patra brand. After my mail last night you should have respected my request not to use word Akshaya Patra anywhere. But you did it because, you don’t want my name but you want Akshaya Patra’s name.” – PADA: Because he is a crook.
Jaipur For Truth (part 2) (Dayalu’s group) 3) I came to know from the letter of Gokul Chandra Prabhu of Hare Krishna Society that MPP had a closed door meeting with Iskcon EC and proposed to them that if Iskcon agrees that the 1st initiation will be performed by Srila Prabhupada then the 2nd initiation can be performed by regular pancaratrika gurus appointed by the GBC. I had heard about it from before but I did not get into the details as I had full faith in MPP that he can never think of going away from July 9th letter even in his dreams. So, at first I did not believe it but when I saw MPP’s rebuttal on Sun Sampradaya, I was shocked as this is accepted by MPP himself that he did make a proposal like this. ========================================================== [PADA: Our reply, starting with segments from Madhu Pandit Dasa’s reply:] Sri Madhu Pandit Dasa’s official reply to EC
By: Madhu Pandit Dasa, Bangalore.
Dear Tamohara prabhu, Anuttama prabhu, and Praghosa prabhu, Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
We beg to acknowledge your letter dated 27th Oct 2013 addressed to three of us. I had immediately replied to your above letter on 28th October stating that we will respond to it soon. I noticed several discrepancies vis-a-vis what transpired in the meeting as you have stated.
There were many things in the your letter which did not represent accurately and completely what transpired in our discussion in Chennai with HH Jayapataka Swami, HH Bhanu Swami and
Dayaram Das. Probably it is due to miscommunication and partial communication from the source where you got the information (from one of the bureau members). It is understandable considering that it is second hand information and those who presented it also probably wanted to dilute it hoping against hope for some serious reforms in ISKCON and was shooting off our shoulders to achieve the same.
Meantime we see that one of your members have posted that letter in the Sampradaya Sun with a political twist and apparent motive to disturb many devotees all over the world who looks upon ISKCON Bangalore as a panacea to all the guru issues in rest of the movement. This was most unexpected move and we consider that these persons are misusing a genuine discussion held with some Bureau member to bring Srila Prabhupada to his original spiritual position in ISKCON for political mileage. [PADA: Exactly, Dayalu Nitai das and the “Jaipur For Truth” (JFT) people are misquoting what happened at the meeting. Of course, Rocana and his Sampradaya Sun are not considered as a bona fide source of understanding for – “all matters legal” – for the Prabhupadanugas because, it is for starters an anti-Prabhupadanuga site. So it is a little amazing that Dayalu Nitai das and his “JFT” folks are now citing a full-fledged Anti-Srila Prabhupada worship site as their authority on these matters, or any other matters. Rocana commonly refers to Srila Prabhupada as the posthumous, post samadhi if not post mortem person, not sure how he has emerged as the hero / authority of Dayalu Nitai and his Jaipur For Truth folks?
The Sampradaya Sun has already posted a series of letters from the GBC’s Dayaram das – which have proven to be totally false in details and prophecy. For example, Dayaram said in 1997 that the court case would not cost more than $1 million and not last more than a year.
PADA sources tell us – the case has now cost ISKCON more like $20 million. And in the event no one has noticed, it’s been much more than a year since the case was filed and it’s still pending, with no resolution since 1997.
Of course Srila Prabhupada said that the Gaudiya Matha case was “40 years in court with no resolution.” And that is what the GBC wants, they also want to go on in the courts for “40 years with no resolution” because they are very familiar with how the courts behave in India.
And thus more and more people report seeing in current ISKCON – very distressed building conditions, some cases of falling apart deity outfits; some cases of rats on the altars; some cases of illegal code violations in Krishna’s temples etc., all because the GBC decided in 1997 to make a program of mansions for lawyers and let put Krishna into the ghetto.
Someone just told us how bad the building conditions are at New Vrindavana for example. So Krishna gets a dirty, poor, run-down back alley ghetto, and the GBC’s lawyers get huge marble and silk palaces filled with servants and opulence. In short, the GBC worships lawyers. And that has been the GBC’s overall policy since 1997. Why are the Jaipur For Truth people citing the GBC folks and their writings found on the Sampradaya Sun, that is perhaps the first question?
The same Sampradaya Sun that is favorable to the living gurus program and all their bogus arguments, why are they now our authority in Jaipur?
One of the GBC friendly folks wrote to tell us they “are going to sue us for the next 100 years.” The GBC folks want this court case to go one for another 100 years, and cost another $100 million for ISKCON, they do not want any settlement, they want these expenditures to go on forever. In other words, Rocana’s site has not been citing accurate information regarding this case, at all. OK, a few naive people accept this site as accurate on this legal matter.
And so it’s amazing the GBC folks and their dedicated followers from the “Jaipur For Truth” accept any of these letters as accurate, when none of the Prabhupadanugas accept this source as accurate, and in fact there is much evidence the series of letters on the Sampradaya Sun on this issue have been severely contaminated and have contained considerable false information.]
MPD: The most inaccurate statement in your letter is your statement that we have evolved our understanding and moved away from the ritvik position. [PADA: Well there you have it, MPD is saying he has not moved from his position. And if we were to say he had changed his position, we’d have to cite court documents where he has changed things. JFT folks cite nothing from the court documents, only Rocana’s site? The case is also still pending, thus no agreement was made to date, or the case would be settled. It’s not.]
MPD: There is no question of us evolving our ‘understanding’ or position since our stand on initiation is not based on any philosophical interpretation but simply following faithfully the written directive of Srila Prabhupada on initiation with full faith in it that it ought to be philosophically sound if Srila Prabhupada set it up. Unless, we are shown authentically that Srila Prabhupada superseded that directive, we would continue with that understanding. [PADA: Correct, we stand by the directives of Srila Prabhupada and not anti-ritviks like Rocana?
Why are the JFT folks always citing dubious authorities? As soon as someone says, we need to follow the directives of Srila Prabhupada, then the GBC, Prahlad types, the JFT, they all say in unison “this must be stopped”! That makes them servants of the GBC, who also wants this process stopped. Why do they always want to stop the worship of the pure devotee, and attack anyone who is worshiping the pure devotee? That is what the GBC does every day.]
MPD: Meeting held on 24th August 2013.
On the request from Muralishyam Dasa brahmacari of ISKCON Mumbai we consented to meet on 24th August as he was repeatedly requesting us to meet once HH Jayapataka Swami to hear how Bureau and GBC are working in different ways to bring Srila Prabhupada in the centre. We made it very clear that we will not be giving any new proposal than what we have given so far to the Bureau till then, all of which received a negative response from the GBC. He said that Doyaram Prabhu was planning to propose some changes to the GBC during the upcoming Bureau and GBC meeting in Oct 2013. [PADA: No new proposal was made. Rocana makes all sorts of false propaganda regarding this lawsuit for years together, he opposes the ritvik idea, he says Srila Prabhupada is the post mortem person, and Gokul Chandra and the JFT folks accept Rocana as the speaker of their gospel? Rocana has been proven incorrect over and over and over on this issue, and so have his writers, but he is the authority of these Jaipura folks. Why?]
MPD: … Then why doesn’t ISKCON GBC bring out a position paper that Srila Prabhupada as the giver of the Holy name to all candidates in this movement at the 1st initiation ceremony and recognise him as his spiritual master and facilitate instilling the relationship of surrendering their soul to Srila Prabhupada, in the minds and hearts of every initiated candidate. [PADA: Why do the Jaipur for Truth folks openly oppose making Srila Prabhupada the giver of initiations and his being the focus of the initiates, and they want to torpedo anyone doing that?
And instead, they want us to surrender to Rocana’s site, which says Srila Prabhupada is post mortem?]
MPD: Srila Prabhupada should be the one personality for everyone to place their full faith which is of the quality as good as one’s faith in Krishna as required by the famous quote for a self-
realization “Yasya deva para bhaktir, yatha deve tatha gurau, tasyaiva kathitha hyartha, prakashante mahatmanah.” [PADA: Right, as soon as someone says Srila Prabhupada is the person we need to have faith in, then the Jaipur for Truth people say – attack, attack, attack, and they quote from the posthumous and post mortem folks instead, the same people whose letters on this “court case” have proven false – over and over and over and over and over. Don’t they know by now that Rocana’s letters regarding this case have proven to be wrong and false – repeatedly? And they still go back there for “The Jaipur Truth”?]
MPD: I explained that bringing Srila Prabhupada in the centre as Founder-Acharya is best achieved by bringing Srila Prabhupada in the centre of the heart of every initiated person as his/her first and primary guru during 1st initiation. [PADA: Yep, no wonder the GBC and the JFT folks object to this, they are citing their postmortem acharya Rocana.]
MPD: There is no better way to bring Srila Prabhupada in the centre in one single stroke of reform in ISKCON without all the cosmetic changes that GBC has made so far to put Srila Prabhupada in the centre. All candidates for 1st initiation will be very well informed institutionally on the janme janme prabhu sei position of Srila Prabhupada in their lives and the need to take his eternal shelter if they want to be part of ISKCON. Also Vyasa puja and guru puja in Iskcon should only be for Srila Prabhupada. Also there should no choosing of the Harinama guru or officiating acarya for 1st/ Prabhupada initiation. Dayaram Prabhu interjected that it would be hard for GBC to accept this part of candidates not choosing the initiator. [PADA: Well there is it, Vyasa pooja for Srila Prabhupada is something we need to have stopped, and the JFT folks are helping the GBC and Rocana do that.]
MPD: There can be no solution for this potential betrayal of faith unless you instruct the person getting initiated specifically that one should not place that kind of faith in your guru as you place in Srila Prabhupada. And if you tell them not to place their 100% faith in the infallibility of your guru, then you are depriving an opportunity to an ISKCON member to practice Bhakti with strong guru bhakti as required by our siddhanta , as taught to us by Srila Prabhupada as per the quote “ Yasya deva para bhaktir…” [PADA: Faith has to be in Srila Prabhupada and not JFT’s post mortem pada, agreed.]
MPD: I said that I can try to convince everyone in our group on second initiation being given into the ears from persons authorized by GBC if a big change can come for entire Iskcon where 1st initiation is from Srila Prabhupada considering it a big leap to put back spiritually ISKCON to the situation it was pre-1977. I also added that some members among current Bangalore group should also be authorized by GBC for this to do this function of initiation specifically amongst us.” [PADA: Oh heaven’s no, we cannot go back to pre-1977 where Srila Prabhupada is the current acharya! That has to be stopped, and the GBC and their dedicated pals at JFT people are out to stop it.]
MPD: “Why do you believe in rumours, that first initiation is not so important as second? I have already said that it is equally important, but you say rumour. Actually first initiation is more important. You can go without second initiation; if the first initiation is executed very thoroughly that is sufficient. First initiation stands strong. The spiritual master accepts the disciple’s sinful reactions upon giving first initiation. The Vedic system was to give the sacred thread at the first
initiation. We are following Pancaratriki. Vedic initiation was given to a person born to a brahmana. That is not possible in this age. Therefore he has to be prepared by Hari Nam initiation and then second initiation. He is given a chance. Therefore others protest that I am giving initiation: He is not born of a brahmana, how can he be initiated?” Considering the fact that some persons connected to the bureau are now politicizing this genuine efforts to bring some considerable changes in ISKCON to re-establish Srila Prabhupada’s spiritual position and role in ISKCON by leaking out your letter to Sampradaya Sun with twisted title to it , we have decided that henceforth we shall deal only directly with the GBC EC on these matters and continue to discuss further if the GBC wishes to move in this direction at all, now that you know exactly where we stand on the understanding on the guru issue.
Your servant, Madhu Pandit Dasa. [PADA: Yep, GBC and their servants at JFT are misdirecting everyone to cause confusion, as they have all along since 1978. None of the articles on Rocana’s site against MPD have been correct in facts, or in prophecies, etc. Well known to anyone who can read. ys pd]