Any opinion different from the opinion of the spiritual master is useless. One cannot infiltrate materially concocted ideas into spiritual advancement. That is deviation. CC Adi 12.9 Purport Actual text of conversation with Srila Prabhupada in his room, October 18, 1977, Vrindavana, India
Srila Prabhupada: So, you are taking care of that conveyance?
Tamala Krishna: Yes, we are, Srila Prabhupada.
Jayapataka: Because you are a paramahamsa, Srila Prabhupada, you are seeing everyone else as surrendered to Krishna. But only by your mercy, you are forcing us to serve Krishna.
Srila Prabhupada: Hare Krishna. One Bengali gentleman has come from New York?
Tamala Krishna: Yes. Mr. Sukamal Roy Chowdury.
Srila Prabhupada: So I have deputed some of you to initiate. Hm?
Tamala Krishna: Yes. Actually… Yes, Srila Prabhupada.
Srila Prabhupada: So I think Jayapataka can do that if he likes. I have already deputed. Tell him.
Tamala Krishna: Yes.
Srila Prabhupada: So, deputies, Jayapataka's name was there?
Bhagavan: It is already on there, Srila Prabhupada. His name was on that list.
Srila Prabhupada: So I depute him to do this at Mayapura, and you may go with him. I stop for the time being. Is that all right?
Tamala Krishna: Stopped doing what, Srila Prabhupada?
Srila Prabhupada: This initiation. I have deputed the, my disciples. Is it clear or not?
Giriraja: It's clear.
Srila Prabhupada: You have got the list of the names?
Tamala Krishna: Yes, Srila Prabhupada.
Srila Prabhupada: And if by Krishna's grace I recover from this condition, then I shall begin again, or I may not be pressed in this condition to initiate. It is not good.
Giriraja: We will explain to him so that he will understand properly.
Srila Prabhupada: Hm? Hm?
Giriraja: I said we will explain to the Bengali gentleman just as you have described to us, so that he'll be satisfied with this arrangement.
Srila Prabhupada: And Dr. Ghosh has his scheme, but actually the scheme is there in the Bhagavad-gita and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. We want to introduce that scheme to our Gurukula.
We haven't got to manufacture scheme. Is that correct?
Giriraja: Yes.
Srila Prabhupada: Let them learn to rise early in the morning and cleanse. This is the first scheme. This will keep their health nice. Chatur-varnyam maya srstam [Bhagavad Gita 4.13].
Unless in the human society the varnashrama system is introduced, no scheme or social order, health order or any order, political order, will be successful.
Bhagavan: Everything is there very clearly in your books, Srila Prabhupada.
Srila Prabhupada: A man-made scheme-useless. Sattvika-yuga.What is that verse?
Sattvavalambi-para-sattva-vishuddha-sattvam….. From Brahma-samhita?
Rupanuga dasa statement: A Bengali gentleman has come from New York seeking initiation from Srila Prabhupada. But Srila Prabhupada has already deputed his ritvik acaryas and he thinks Jayapataka should do the initiation.
Note: Srila Prabhupada has not specifically told anyone to be a diksha-guru, only to act as officiating representative as per his July 9th letter. Srila Prabhupada is only reconfirming what he had already established in his earlier directive of July 9th 1977 letter.
Rupanuga dasa statement: The key sentences here are not the ones containing the word “depute,” but rather the following: “I stop for the time being,” “And if by Krishna’s grace I recover from this condition, then I shall begin again.”
Note: Classic word jugglery. After Srila Prabhupada has emphasized the word depute in five different grammatical combinations, we are now being informed that this not the key point.
Srila Prabhupada’s emphasis is not only three times, but five times.
It is common understanding that in Vedic literatures, to emphasize an important point, it is done three times.
Srila Prabhupada says: “anything is uttered three times—“do it, do it, do it”—one should understand that this is meant to indicate great stress on a fact…” Srimad-Bhagavatam 10.9.20: This verse repeats the word 'eva' [‘certainly’] three times for emphasis, and it also three times repeats ‘harer nama’ [‘the holy name of the Lord’], just to make common people understand.
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To emphasize something to an ordinary person, one may repeat iit three times, just as one might say, "You must do this! You must do this! You must do this! Sri Caitanya-caritamrta (Unrevised original edition) Adi-Lila 17.23
"This verse repeats the word 'eva' [‘certainly’] three times for emphasis, and it also three times repeats ‘harer nāma’ [‘the holy name of the Lord’], just to make common people understand.
Srila Prabhupada: “…The Vedic literature, for emphasis, clearly states three times that in this age of Kali—kalau nasty eva nasty eva nasty eva—there is no other alternative, no other alternative, no other alternative than harer nāma Srimad-Bhagavatam 3.21.6
Note: Srila Prabhupada uses the word deputy five times referring to his prior nomination on July 9th 1977 of 11 officiating representatives to carry initiations on his behalf.11 chosen devotees were only officiating representatives.
Srila Prabhupada’s repeated use of the word deputee five times is the key point of this conversation.
Rupanuga dasa's statement: “And if by Krishna’s grace I recover from this condition, then I shall begin again.” “I stop for the time being” indicates that the ritvik appointments made three months earlier were necessary due to Srila Prabhupada’s condition, but he considered them temporary—to last until his own initiations could begin again. In other words, “for the time being” indicates Srila Prabhupada’s expectation of taking up initiations again in due course. “And if by Krishna’s grace I recover from this condition, then I shall begin again,” indicates his hopeful intention to take up initiation duties again in the future.
Notes: More speculative interpretation. Nowhere did Srila Prabhupada has ever said that the following: ”the ritvik appointments made three months earlier were necessary due to Srila Prabhupada’s condition, but he considered them temporary” In other words, “for the time being” indicates Srila Prabhupada’s expectation of taking up initiations again in due course.
Fact: it is well known that Srila Prabhupada’s health at that time was not in the best condition.
Although he is always fully transcendental and above the modes of nature, he had been bed ridden for several months, and his health had been deteriorating.
Fact: July 9th 1977. Srila Prabhupada had put in place an officiating representative system by his letter of July 1977. And he again reconfirmed his original intention of setting up an officiating representative system.
Fact: July 19th 1977.
Srila Prabhupada: So let us artificial activity. I think this is a nice arrangement.
Devotee: Upendra and I could see it for the last… [break] Srila Prabhupada: And nobody is going to disturb you there. Make your own field and continue to become ritvik and act on my charge. People are becoming sympathetic there. The place is very nice.
Devotee: Yeah. He says, "The introduction of Bhagavad-gita has been translated into Tamil, and I will have the second chapter done next. Then publish a small booklet for immediate distribution."
Srila Prabhupada: Very good.
Srila Prabhupada Room Conversation, July 19, 1977, Vrindavana, India.
Srila Prabhupada is only indicating that his health is not good enough to carry on the ceremonials of the fire sacrifice etc. and that his deputies can do this on behalf, initiating his
disciples by acting as his deputee representatives.
Srila Prabhupada was still and is still giving divyam-jnanam, the essence of diksha, and accepting disciples. All he is asking his disciples to do in this conversation is for his deputees, officiating representatives is to take up the process of (i) chosing the names of the new initiate (ii) chanting on the japa beads on behalf of Srila Prabhupada (iii) perform the fire sacrifice of the initiation on his behalf Go to I have deputed my disciples. Is it clear or not? (Part-2)